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onion IP address: Logged Posts: 4416
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Complete freedom of speech is too often taken to mean liberty to act however one chooses. No, ethnic cleansing would not begin on Monday. Sticks and stones and all that. Religion, unfortunately, does not allow freedom of speech. And Gez, you've just reminded me! |
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DickRichards IP address: Logged Posts: 29
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I watched the video. I found it highly interesting, but at the same time i agree with someone a couple of pages back. He does make my skin crawl a little. Saying that, I agree with most of the things that he said. And i have singed the petition. Does he really matter if he's middle class? Many working class peopple share the same veiws. Even if they are slightly less informed. |
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| herbivore IP address: Logged Posts: 6659
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There won't be a middle class this time next year: We'll al be fighting over the last tin on beans in a burnt out Morrisons. (quote bt Sandy Toksvig). |
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| DickRichards IP address: Logged Posts: 29
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And then Homeless people shall inherit the earth?.... |
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| SideshowGez IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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It does matter as Those 4x4 Lard rovers have got to have the edge on ram raiding.  |
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| mtnluvver IP address: Logged Posts: 6427
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if freedom of speech stopped certain subjects from being taboo, then it might give people the liberty to act in whatever way they please, if you believe the fact that a lot of people, particularly in this country, don't show their true colours solely because of what people will think about them. |
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| onion IP address: Logged Posts: 4416
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Nah, freedom of speech does not equal freedom of action, if that action is illegal. It's not illegal for anyone to simply say "I'm going to kill you", for instance, though actually doing it is, obviously. And people aren't keeping their true clours hidden because of the law, or lack of it, regarding freedom of speech. It seems absurd to suggest that, considering there is hardly anything you or I are not allowed to say for fear of arrest. And though there are a very few people who abuse this freedom you must see that restricting everyone else from voicing their opinions etc is just plain wrong. Don't get confused between general concensus and the law. |
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| mtnluvver IP address: Logged Posts: 6427
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i'm talking necessarily now about the LAW of freedom of speech i'm talking about the CONCEPT in general, is that not different? |
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| onion IP address: Logged Posts: 4416
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Eh? Call me stupid, but I don't know what that sentence meant.
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| mtnluvver IP address: Logged Posts: 6427
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ignore it i missed out some words but i couldnt be bothered to sort it out |
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| onion IP address: Logged Posts: 4416
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Yeah, why would you? |
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ReallyBrown IP address: Logged Posts: 1818
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This man delivers in a dangerous way, imo. Edited: ReallyBrown - Sun 5 Oct 2008 (9:58AM) |
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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He comes across worse in this one, definatly. But after years of warning people, it actually goes and happens. I think i'd be even more annoyed, personally. I still can't believe that Youtube pulled the video. I'm wondering what actually made them put it back up three days later? Was it because there are loads of pro-Jihad videos on YT? Was it because hundreds of people re-uploaded the video to their accounts, thus making it ten times stronger? Was it because of freedom of speech? Or did they completely see his point concerning p.c madness? |
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| DickRichards IP address: Logged Posts: 29
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I think the uproar would have pulled them apart. Someone upstairs went "Oh shit". And sorted it out. And fairplay to the man, but he doesnt come across nicely in this one. |
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http://www.secularism.org.uk/nssprotestsatremovalofpatcondell.html |
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| MoralApe IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Mr Condell’s video presents his opinions on the revelation that sharia courts are operating in Britain with the apparent approval of the Government. As usual, he does not mince his words, but he is not saying anything that is untrue. His main thrust is one of outrage on behalf of those Muslim women
But does it? If his post was just that then I don't think anyone in this thread could disagree, but I saw the video, and I saw more than that being presented.
So many people in this thread like this chap normally (myself included), but had issues with certain parts of the video. I think the same people wouldn't have had the same issues if the arguments were as black and white as they're presented above. But they just weren't. |
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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But all comes down to the point that there are many hate videos on YT that aren't pulled down. Plenty of Jihad videos as well. But becuase of the P.C bullshit, where you can't even SAY anything (that is all he has done) it was pulled down. And rightly put back up again with APOLOGIES from youtube. As Pat said in his latest vid, it's great that people flagged the vid, because it just made it ten times stronger. We need more P.C nutters... He also explains the "other" video a lot more: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a-KHHKuVVRc |
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| mtnluvver IP address: Logged Posts: 6427
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he comes across as a lot of things in that video, but sympathetic to women of muslim faith is not what i would put as top of my list. if that's what he was trying to communicate he needs to get some help with his word order, or something. |
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| bro IP address: Logged Posts: 1415
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And today is the anniversary of the Battle Of Tours.
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| onion IP address: Logged Posts: 4416
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he comes across as a lot of things in that video, but sympathetic to women of muslim faith is not what i would put as top of my list. if that's what he was trying to communicate he needs to get some help with his word order, or something.
Sorry, I'm just doing that to wind you up.
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