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Dmanlamius
DMANLAMIUS - 6 years, 6 months
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I'l say what I want.  Still a free country, isn't it?

You can point the "racist" finger as much as you want.  I was expecting it to be honest.

Thanks for the link, Matt. 


Tobyjames7
TOBYJAMES7 - 6 months
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dude, I think you're goi ng about this far too agressively.....

and surely by shouting down other people, its taking away their freedoms as much as anything else?

I'm not trying to pick an arguement with you, I'm just saying, same as that fella there, some people agree with the message, just not the way its wrapped, know what I'm saying?


Dmanlamius
DMANLAMIUS - 6 years, 6 months
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Ok.

I shouted at Carrie, because it was so predictable.  How many times has she called people nazi's and racists on here for just having an opinion?

I'm far from racist.  Anyone that knows me will tell you that.

However, I dislike religion and the shackles it puts on people.

Especially religions that say it's ok to stone people, fuck kids, knock women about, give women no rights, murder the rest of the world for not believing, as well as many other reasons.  Call me picky.

I remember people on here a couple of years ago (no names mentioned AHEM) that said Sharia law would not EVER come into our system in any way, shape or form.

But here it is, in our courts.  Nice start.  But of course, that didn't happen, did it? 


ffruk
FFRUK - 4 years, 2 months
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Dman all that shows it a token gesture - a bit like us going to marriage guidance council or whatever. The law of the land will and always be what is implemented at Westminster. If people then disagree with all the courts ruling in this country then they have the option to go to the european court for a final hearing. Even if muslims get married they have to go to an official registry office to make it legal. Muslim men can't each marry 10 women if they wish. It's a myth get over it.
Tobyjames7
TOBYJAMES7 - 6 months
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no dude, i completley agree, religions can really REALLY show the worst of our society, and of others....

and I'm certainly not saying you're a racist, and I'm not saying its not heinous that this system is seeping into our country... and something must be done about it, that much i agree with.....

its just the way its all being said......

i find the agressiveness un-necessary, and i think it turns people off from a message thats actually really important


herbivore
HERBIVORE - 5 years, 5 months
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Steve's right Sharia courts have no legal hold in this country. I think the word, courts, puts the shits up most people. If the Wobbly Wheelers Cycling Club said that all their members had to wear blue hats would that be law just because they put the word court after AGM.  It's the same thing,: Sharia courts can tell their 'members' anything they like but none of it would be legally binding. 

 I'm more concerned with the Muslim countries trying to get Islamism recognised as a race as well as a religion  at the U.N.so they can share the special treatment afforded to the jewish race/religion. I.E. to make anti Islamism a crime. They are struggling to get it through though.


Edited: herbivore - Tue 30 Sep 2008 (8:08PM)
Dmanlamius
DMANLAMIUS - 6 years, 6 months
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Sorry Toby, you are right.

I just read about that, Stu.  That will never take place...

FFRUK, "Get over it?".  Nice man.  Nice.  How about I go to all your posts where people dont give a shit about the music you put on, and say "get over it?" 

"No-one cares man.  Trust me, you're wasting your time."

"Get over it."

You have your bothers, and I have mine.


mtnluvver
MTNLUVVER - 5 years, 7 months
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kris this is the sort of shit that makes me stop posting on here, because you all treat me like some kind of fucking left wing punch bag, you all basically ignore what i say and assume im talking shit and being overly pc from the first word!

i know full well who this bloke is, i've seen loads of his stuff, and to be honest with you i don't care what he has to say, for me the constantly muslim digs override everything else. you cannot trust someone like that to provide you with an adequate and broad knowledge of something.

i actually said that some of the things he talks about appear on first glance perfectly sensible, but this guy he makes my skin crawl, i don't trust a word he says.

this video will be drumming up hatred for all muslims under the assumption that they are trying to 'take over', and you know full well that this is a minority thing, much like the british christian extremists with their desire for getting rid of gay marriage and female clergy.


Edited: mtnluvver - Tue 30 Sep 2008 (9:45PM)
MasterODiscount
MASTERODISCOUNT - 4 years, 2 months
Tue 30 Sep 2008 (10:13PM)
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kris this is the sort of shit that makes me stop posting on here, because you all treat me like some kind of fucking left wing punch bag

 

stop being such a gay arsed victim.

 

i haven't read this yet, but unless he's threatened you in some way you are more than capable of answering with reasoned argument you fucking guadian reading student ponceLaughing


Dmanlamius
DMANLAMIUS - 6 years, 6 months
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ffs...
mtnluvver
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you do! just because i always come in from a far left-wing pov cos that's how i feel, you treat me like i'm just plain wrong, and even worse than that you treat me like i'm uneducated and it does my head in.

 & kris don't ever act like i defend those beliefs that you mentioned because i do not and never will, but you seem think just because it's a religious (or arguably cultural) thing you can support material that paints everyone with the same brush.

 oh yeah and i don't think you've noticed but you should recognise that i no longer argue with people on here who i entirely disagree with or who have such absurd extreme views (which i know there aren't that many of on here). but in many other circumstances you seem to have such reasoned arguments and open-minded things to say, that i find your growing harsh attitude towards anyone who has beliefs in a religion, quite shocking.


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SideshowGez
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He does have some very good points. I do have to say the corner shop thing made me cringe a bit. At least I know how people at my gigs feel now lol

We've laws to be proud of in this country. Many brave women suffered for the rights women today have. I would not like to see them taken away. I don't think anyone in their right mind would. I don't want to come across as racist but I'd rather tis sort of behaviour wasn't allowed in England. They should take it else where and frankly even then it still bothers me.

While were on the subject of National pride... Dman I've just uploaded a remix of Song For St George on my Mr Gig music thingy. It's Got Roger Carey on Bass. Would be intersted to see what you think? It's track 2

http://www.mrgig.com/side-show-gez

 


ffruk
FFRUK - 4 years, 2 months
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Like you Dman I hate religion. I think it's bollocks but I group it all as one rather than pick out easy targets.

The whole thing about Sharia law basically stems from how western society is going eg undergae pregnancies, antosocial behaviour, high crime, lack of marriage commitments etc etc etc. While it seems to be getting worse the muslim community are seeing their kids going down the same path and are trying to prevent it. Their concerns are just as valid as what many posters have written on here in the past.

Unfortunately Sharia law isn't the answser and wont come into being as long as laws are made in Westminster.

The video that you posted was some white middle class tosser voicing sensationalist rubbish he's read in the Sun or on the BNP website so really invalid. My posts regards the music scene are reality and are backed by other promoters. There's a difference.


Dmanlamius
DMANLAMIUS - 6 years, 6 months
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Carrie, ffs.  You KNOW me!  You know how I come across and that most I say is to provoke reaction, and god forbid-conversation.

Yes, I am aggresive in text, and I do kick myself for it.  Ask Amy.

Yes, you are a lefty, and yes it pisses me off sometimes, because I feel you point the finger for the sake of it.  There have been times where people have been accused of having being racist just for having an opinion!  I do understand (and agree) with a lot of what you are saying, but you gotta stop playing that card!

Pat Condell isn't as horrible to the Muslims as he is to the Christians, lol.

You formulate your opinion of him because of the way he makes your skin crawl? Dangerous.

I, like Pat believe a multi-cultural society is a GOOD thing.  I welcome it, because it brings great things to our society, and economy.  That certainly isn't a problem.  The problem is religious ideals and dogma that sometimes are attached.  Especialy the extreme ones.

I know many religious people, and respect their beliefs.  I actually ask them all sorts of questions, and I find it very interesting.  Infact, I probably ask TOO many questions.  Not because im fishing for faith, but I am very interested in how the human mind works, and how faith (in any form) can have an effect on the human psyche.  You know I love NLP, hypnosis and all that.  To me, this is just another version.

I word it wrong.  Too extreme, and I apologise.  It's the FUNDAMENTALISTS I despise within religion.  The one's that try and effect my life through their ideals.  Other than that, let's all get on and learn from each other.

Gez- lol,I enjoyed your song very much.  Has a lovely irish twang to it, and nice harmonies.  You see how much the stars and stripes are paraded in America?  It's ridculous.  Get this, I have a t-shirt with a StGeorges cross on it, and was at work the other day.  A boss of my boss on a vist looked at it, and winced slightly (my job is a very odd one).  I knew what she was thinking...she didn't say it, but I knew it.  Why shouldn't I wear that t-shirt in my position?  This is the typical PC world we are becoming...

The corner shop thing:  Yeah, I agree, but I don't think he meant it like that ...lol.

Ffruk

The video that you posted was some white middle class tosser voicing sensationalist rubbish he's read in the Sun or on the BNP website so really invalid. My posts regards the music scene are reality and are backed by other promoters. There's a difference

You are wrong.  He is very well infomed, and certainly doesn't get his info from papers.  I'll let you do the research as to where before you comment on this again, otherwise there's no point in continuing this conversation.

And the BNP? Please....

 


blueeyes
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i dont believe in any religon, it causes wars and suspicion, it preaches hate and its not based on fact just the written word that some men believe.papers have a lot to answer for and tv because its hard to distinguish if what they write and prodcast is not biased. Dman has a point and has a right to be heard, like every one does. the difference is if a man can  put his point across without threat or hate.  now take a look at that bnp meeting , a group of men  in a field voicing what they believe in be it right or wrong and switched to a corner of a london street where another group of men voice their beliefs  and wish all infiedels dead what is the difference none.  as for law , well  to many sets in one country and you asking for trouble , one law fair and just should be enough for all .
ffruk
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Blueeyes: There is a law for us all but it isn't the muslims getting away with it. You have to look higher up the class scale for that.

Dman: The video was sensatinalist and the kind of thing you read in the sun or on a BNP website. Go direct to the Sun and BNP pages and you see the same kind of drama.

 


blueeyes
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 well thats just a fact that  the rich and the knobs get away with it. but thats been here since the begining of time since men formed communitys and lived in them . and if you take away the rich hmmmm russia  yep that worked well.
MoralApe
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Kris, I say this every christmas when the inevitable argument comes up. 

 

All the stories regarding political correctness never stem from Muslims, just scared little white blokes that don't think to consult anyone.


Dmanlamius
DMANLAMIUS - 6 years, 6 months
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Is that a link from ffruk's post?

If so, if you mean consult, regarding Pat condells opinion, i'll say the same to you:

He's very well educated, and in the know, through many means.  These means are certainly not newspapers.

And anyway, men should'nt be scared concerning Sharia, should they?

Women, on the other hand should be shitting themselves, and have been for way too long now.

Bluey hit the nail on the head.  One rule for everyone.  You can't just start changing rules that fit your ideals.  What would be the point of having rules in the first place?


Dmanlamius
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Oh, and the "jihaded" Nigerians are black men.

 


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