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Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Someone link for me, please: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2-Wun2dIg And here is the petition: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/sharialawuk/
Edited: Matt@MrGig - Tue 30 Sep 2008 (6:57PM) |
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Tobyjames7 IP address: Logged Posts: 1193
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don't need to watch the vid to say not to that, been against this since it was first mooted... I love the fact we live in a multicultural britian, I wouldn't be here if we didn't ( coz half of my family wouldn't)
but if people want to be governed by the laws of their land... and its not this one... then they should reside where those laws originate |
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| mtnluvver IP address: Logged Posts: 6427
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how can you listen to this shit? ive never known someone disguise their bigotry so well, for every sensible thing he said there's 2 snide comments such as "in their corner shops". if you can give me one good reason why the things he said are better than the things the muslim extremists say, i promise never to post on these topics ever again.
pps. im not for sharia law, im against wankstains on the human race whatever their religion. Edited: mtnluvver - Tue 30 Sep 2008 (4:30PM) |
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| Tobyjames7 IP address: Logged Posts: 1193
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one of the many reasons i didn't watch it! I like to make my own mind up about stuff as much as possible, so i went straight to see what the petition was via the link, signed up, all done
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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if you can give me one good reason why the things he said are better than the things the muslim extremists say, i promise never to post on these topics ever again. Well, if (like many on here) follow Pat Condell, you'll know he's been education and warning people of this event for some time now. Also, he has nothing against religion, just when it becomes PART of our lives to the point that we have no choice over matters. In his own Words: "I have nothing against religion if it doesn't effect me or my freedom." It is our RIGHT to live in a free world. It's easy to call Pat an extremist, when all he is doing is giving the facts. Those facts are outlined in that video. So it's ok for a Muslim to not handle alcohol? Even though that was mentioned in the job description. And it isn't ok for him to mention that Muslims SELL people alcohol in their shops daily. But it's ok to sue a company, hey? SOMEONE has to stand up and speak out about this. It's people like YOU that have let this country become such a p.c infested rathole, that we cannot even PROTECT our rights anymore. Facts, that's all. He didn't stone anyone for calling a teddybear mohammed. He didn't preach that his views MUST be obeyed world wide, or people would be killed and wiped off the planet until they obey. He didn't spread hatred or in-humanity against women in his video... ...he didn't say that all Jews and Homosexuals must be murdered. He didn't want the EU to legalize pedophilia. He didn't base any of what he said on a violent and dangerous book. He didn't refuse to publish a book that outlines how the prophet Mohammed fucks his child bride. Is that enough for you?
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Then maybe you should have watched the video, Toby.
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Fucking hell, we won't be allowed a voice anymore. And James, before writing anything here, please throw away any bias you may have. |
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| evilweasel IP address: Logged Posts: 2330
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...is it a music vid ?... I can't open the link where I am now.....is it any good ? |
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Ha Ha! Well, I have to go out to kill a muslim (joke). Enjoy your female circumstition and rape. I'll leave you with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE9_Za7ROTw Oh and can I add, Carrie. UNDER SHARIA LAW, A MAN IS ALLOWED TO BEAT HIS WIFE. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. Don't question it. THAT is the law. |
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| Tobyjames7 IP address: Logged Posts: 1193
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I'll watch it when i get home... i like to hear both sides... but like i said, I like to make my own mind up so i checked what it was about first... and then signed...... then i'll listen to what peoples have got to say, I know enough about sharia law from when this initially started being talked about, and the subsequent reading up i did on it to know it should not and can not be applied in english / british society, i don't need a talking to to tell me that. |
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| MoralApe IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Balls to it then, you apparently know what I'm going to say anyway.
Not signing it. Edited: MoralApe - Tue 30 Sep 2008 (5:12PM) |
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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then i'll listen to what peoples have got to say, I know enough about sharia law from when this initially started being talked about, and the subsequent reading up i did on it to know it should not and can not be applied in english / british society, i don't need a talking to to tell me that. Too late. We now have Sharia courts here, that have FULL backing of our law. That's why i wanted you to watch the video. |
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| MasterODiscount IP address: Logged Posts: 1895
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i think carrie has a point here you know, this video more than others i've seen of his.
He seems to have started saying things in a very matter of fact 'this is the way i feel so how it is' kind of way and i think he's letting personal emotion run his opinions too much, if that makes sense. I wonder if he's ever been to the Saudi Arabia he's decided is ALL bad? i wonder if he actually has a job or if he can just sustain himself on his own sense of self importance?
Although i agree with a lot of what he says i think he his hiding 1. a nasty side and 2. a very small penis. |
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| ffruk IP address: Logged Posts: 1175
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I have to agree with Mtnluvver here. It's sensationalist bollocks. Sharia law will never happen in the UK or anywhere else in Westren Europe any well off areas just as Asia, Australia, NZ etc. It's shite like that which incites racial hatred etc. I expected better from you Dman as you usually come across as one of the more sensible posters on here.
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| MasterODiscount IP address: Logged Posts: 1895
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i thought that sharon law had already come in a little bit?
although i tend to read the Sun so might not find out! |
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| MoralApe IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Only certain aspects, mainly divorce cases (over 100 since December), some of which favour the women over men. Either way, it doesn't over-rule British law regarding marriage, even for muslims. Other cases have been reported to have been settled by Sharia Law too, but none of which seems official.
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| ffruk IP address: Logged Posts: 1175
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Nope it's total exaggeration from the press. The PC brigade nonsense such as The Arch Bishop Of Canterbury don't help matters either. Oh and don't believe the polls that you read that many Muslims want Sharia law too. They're greatly sensentalised too! The law of the land is decided at prssent at Westminster. Whether you agree with it or not is a different thing altogether. |
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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We now have Sharia courts here, that have FULL backing of our law. How many times have I got to say this?! |
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| Tobyjames7 IP address: Logged Posts: 1193
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kris, I'm aware they're around, and by all reports, have been in some from or another for ages, yest the government is backing them, yes i disagree with that, so yes i signed the petition.... the video isn't going to change any of that like i said, I'll watch it when i get home, and so i did, it doesn;t change my stance, I think the dude is a very clever man, and i can agree with a lot of what he says... I don't agree with the way he says it sometimes though, its almost like he wants to get up peoples noses.... don't get me wrong i'm fed up of living in a nanny state and being fed P.C. truths every day, but i'm not so sure seeming condecending while trying to educate people on whats really happening is the way forward, i find his candour a bit much....
I'm not saying he's wrong, that demeans the whole notion of freedom, as voltaire said " I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it"
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases. The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence. Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court. Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims. It has now emerged that sharia courts with these powers have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network’s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh. Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996. Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case. Siddiqi said: “We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.” The disclosure that Muslim courts have legal powers in Britain comes seven months after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was pilloried for suggesting that the establishment of sharia in the future “seems unavoidable” in Britain. In July, the head of the judiciary, the lord chief justice, Lord Phillips, further stoked controversy when he said that sharia could be used to settle marital and financial disputes. In fact, Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours. It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations. Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of “smaller” criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases,” said Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal. Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act. Politicians and church leaders expressed concerns that this could mark the beginnings of a “parallel legal system” based on sharia for some British Muslims. Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: “If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so.” Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “I think it’s appalling. I don’t think arbitration that is done by sharia should ever be endorsed or enforced by the British state.” There are concerns that women who agree to go to tribunal courts are getting worse deals because Islamic law favours men. Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons. The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts. In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment. In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations. Siddiqi said that in the domestic violence cases, the advantage was that marriages were saved and couples given a second chance. Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “The MCB supports these tribunals. If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish, so must the sharia ones.” |
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