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ffruk IP address: Logged Posts: 895
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If people actually want to see a band they will travel or find a way to get there. They do gigs at Leas Cliff / Winter Gardens all the time and I don't expect that every person who attends those venues all lives in the towns where they're based. People will make an effort to see a band if they want to. Ozrics for example we had two people fly in from Japn to see them play in Margate. With the Upstarts I had mails from Russia, America, Canada, Sweden, Russia and Spain wanting to come over for the gig! I was watching a show on Sky where they filmed a heavy Metal band in Bagdad - They had to do it underground as they and their fans would have been jailed, executed etc. Mad stuff. I think Russ has hit the nail on the head regards computers. Most people are quite happy to sit there and play games or/and just surf the net and watch stuff like You Tube. Human interaction for many is virtually non existant these days. When they do have to interact it's just usually a grunt. For Russ' point about bands costing and how gigs could be cheaper is spot on. And it just isn't the Punk nights either. The Metal gigs don't fair any better either on most part. However you can't put everything down to apathy, Where Russ does gigs at the Compass Club isn't a brilliant venue sound wise and the larger tastes dreadful as the place is barely used and I doubt very much the pipes are reguarly cleaned if at all. The size of the place does put people off and most who go there feel out of obligation they have to be there. Liberty a great example where most just stood out in the courtyard chatting amongst themselves. Not much interest in the bands at all. Unfortunately most of the bands they have on there headlining aren't really headline material. They can't bang out pubs in their home towns so they've got no chance anywehere else. The West Coast certainly is the best venue this side of London by far and with the bands that have played there have all said the same thing. If situated anywhere else the venue would be banged out most gig nights. However the problem there lies not just with the apathy but how the management run it hence once of the reasons I stopped doing stuff with them. Website host changing hands every 5 minutes and when they've had a website hardly any information on it, beer tastes dreadful, bar greatly understocked and phone cut off so no one can buy tickets etc etc. Because of the above the people who do go out find better options for themselves and they're lost for good unfortunately. I can't be bothered any more. It's less of a headache and it's embarrassing to bring bands to Thanet to play to empty crowds. There isn't a scene here so no point in trying. I know it's easy for me to go to other areas for gigs because I get press passes on most venues in London if I want them but by christ it's better to see a band playing to a banged out crowd then coming to Thanet and the nearest person to you happens to be 30 feet away because that's how empty the venues are!
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All i got to say Steve is spot on again and for another nail in the coffin for live punk gigs round here - myself and Librasnake as some of you know run BlackEgg promotions have decided to call it half a day. We have had to cancel the Sick On The Bus gig at the compass club coz we cant justify charging 7 quid to get in knowing were only going to get about 40 - 60 people if were lucky. We have also decided to cut the 4 - 6 gigs a year down to 2. That we can do In the last 2 years we have put on some cracking gigs and some not so cracking gigs and lost money on every single one of them bar one. We carried on coz we love it but were not in the position to keep it up. We had Demob, The Objex (from Las Vegas) The Lobotomies. Mini Skirt Blues, More Than Normal, Kunt & The Gang, 2 Sick Monkeys, Vas Deferens, Dirty Love, The Kirks, Bleach Boys, Drugdealer Cheerleader. Adam Bomb (from USA), BNI (from Malta) most of the local punk and metal bands and loads more i cant remember offhand - None of them big enough to headline but we were only charging 2 quid to get into most of the shows and were doing a door deal mainly with small guarantees of petrol and still no one turned up (Demob, Objex, BNI and Kunt/2SM being the exceptions). I still have people asking me if im putting on gigs and when i do they dont turn up - well its now their tough luck coz i will put on what i want, when i want and if i can afford it and if no one turns up - sod em its their loss. I know its not nice playing to a three quarter or more empty space, ive had quite a few stealth audiences in my time but am i going to give up - am i hell, but its on my terms now and no one elses. I will see those of you who do actually bother to turn up at the next gigs hopefully - if not no doubt i will see you all at other gigs - coz thats what WE do - we support our local scene no matter how non existant or tragic it seems at the moment. |
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That sucks about Sick On The Bus as we had plans to go to that one ass Michelle wanted to see Sick On The Bus and I Hollywood Suicide. Couldn't go out last saturday as Michelle for personal reasons and I with my dodgy eye - Stye and Conjunctivitus was a no no. To be honest Russ I don't blame you cancelling that one as that would have been a bit of a loss for you guys anyway. I was lucky on that score as I had the venue to fall back on if that happened. Now the gigs have been cut down to almost zero I expect there'll be loads of complainst nothings happening again. Well at least we can say we walked the talk Russ - These people have no one else to blame but themselves. Edited: ffruk - Tue 30 Sep 2008 (5:24PM) |
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I thoughly agree with everything Russ and Steve have said. I can afford the losses....but why should I? There is plenty of interest out there otherwise hundreds of promoters around the country wouldn`t have put on the thousands of punk/alternative gigs over the last 30+ years. Remember the old saying "You can`t educate Pork!" |
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