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MoralApe IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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I'm finding this all a bit sad really. I found it all punctuated by Jenny's post, who is a musician and a person I really quite admire, and perhaps to look at my posts you'd think I hate what she does. That really couldn't be further from the truth.
I try to be level headed on these threads, occasionally something is said and I get a bit stupidly defensive, I think there's a lot of that going on. I don't go rattling off about covers bands if I can help it. I'm trying to work out why there is such a brutal lack of original bands about these days. I wonder this because 6-7 years ago there seemed to be arseloads and now there is nothing going on. I won't deny that I'm finding it really frustrating that in trying to show support for original bands is read as being against covers, like there is some annoying competitive element involved. It's not like that at all, and thats not what I'm trying to say at all.
I just fucking hate this idea of a dividing line that people are sniping at each other across, and feeling like you've got to be one side or the other. Its fucking stupid, it really is and it's wound me up now. |
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ReallyBrown IP address: Logged Posts: 985
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It's definitely a pity there aren't more channels for originals' players. The pub circuit our band plays doesn't seem to cater for them at all, and it's bound to come back to selling Stellas in the end. The originals' scene probably wouldn't be my scene at all, but I've been in a couple of originals' bands myself in a large city where there were more independent venues to play. I can only think of Casanova's / Studios for that around the eastest nose of Kent. After that, apart from the Diner place in Ashford, is there anywhere else? (With you on the Penny Theatre, Kris. Some decent venues have gone). I might be totally wrong about venues so hit at me. It's not a journey I'm on any more. I'm also very much with Jenny concerning ability and quality. It's surely about trying to play or sing your best no matter what you do? A lot of it, for me, is getting off on the great ability of my co-players. Enjoying their abilities. My frustration (re-birthed up the page) is that in some pubs the playing conditions are bad so you know when you sing or play there, you are not going to sound your best. That gets to me. Because of my nature, it can block out the many good times. I'm working on myself. Rabbit. Rabbit. Most pubs are, of course, fine. There are good conditions, and it works. We have many great gigs on the circuit. I just admire good playing and good players / singers whenever I see them. I'm sympathetic to keys players, but of course I'm not blocked to great playing on any instrument as long as it's good and quality. Only a blockhead won't appreciate quality in a group if it's good - and if it's something he or she doesn't like. Openness to other genres and styles. My wife cannot stand EK1 and the stuff we play, but she knows we are players and that we do what we do well and with ability, and she tells friends, family, colleagues that we are fine. And that's fine by me because there would be no ironing done if she said we were no good because she simply didn't appreciate the style. I've never liked my women hanging around at gigs, so this is just swell by me. Incidentally, Dafunk plays with us at numerous public and private gigs now, and JSatch is depping on guitar with us quite soon. James Dean, Dudley Ross and possibly Chris Wong will also share cover duties when our man goes off for six months to travel round the world at the end of the month in a graduate's haze. Edited: ReallyBrown - Sun 8 Jun 2008 (6:27AM) |
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| Tobyjames7 IP address: Logged Posts: 632
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ah reallybrown, I didn't know you knew or used dudley, I used to play american football with him ( and hopefully will again someday, its just too damn expensive for me at the moment) cracking guitarist! jenny, I'm proud to be involved in a forum with people as talented as you and a lot of the others here, as I've said before, and I'll say again i have nothing against covers groups at all, and i enjoy seeing / hearing you all when i'm off out for a beer or 2. I'm just a little upset and angry that in this "community" has zero community spirit, in a community people help others, in a community people learn to co-exist and help diminishing elements to thrive, any talents are encouraged, not told to change.... and there is sod all of that here....... it just seems like a tallywhacker contest where everyones trying to whack it out and see who's is biggest, but some of us don't actually care
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| Spike IP address: Logged Posts: 2787
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Jenny. Well said.
In all honesty, who really gives a flying fuck about the covers/originals debate? I suspect deep down, no one. Be it covers or originals, heavy metal, cheesy MoR, Folk, Indie, Country or whatever, just enjoy the gift of music and stop being so bloody precious about it. |
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Shaman IP address: Logged Posts: 85
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Here here Jenny, well said ! I think your right.. most people on here really don't care for the boring covers...oringinals debate (boring ZZZzzz). Except one.... Talk about bitter and resentful "Close-mindeness" ? So THE GATE...............
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| daz IP address: Logged Posts: 654
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I agree Shaman, who does really care, not I.....................
"Ha Ha! You're a Kent covers band mate. Get over yourself." Surrey, Hampshire, London, Devon, East Sussex, West Sussex, Essex.. Ok not the entire UK but in fairness a bit further afield than Kent. And YES we're a covers band..............So fuckin' what !
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| MasterODiscount IP address: Logged Posts: 1416
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I'm just a little upset and angry that in this "community" has zero community spirit,
I don't think you could be more wrong, i've helped out loads of fellow musicians in many ways, from lending speakers to people when theirs have broken to recording their music and helping them get gigs, on the other hand i've had someone lend me an amp because i'm a dunce and left mine at home, as well as people recording parts on my music and recommending me for gigs at places. I've found people try to get to other's's's gigs whenever they can to support peolpe as well.
The bad is often highlighted more than the good on sites like this because people like to thrash out their feelings on what they feel is wrong and maybe don't see the need to 'back slap' when a good deed is done.
In short, i know that i have a phone full of contacts that i can rely on if i ever need some help, and vice versa.
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| Tobyjames7 IP address: Logged Posts: 632
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and thats brilliant, except its not for everyone is it? its who you know, I've asked for help, advice, recording tips, and a million other things coz i NEED help, I am new to all of this, and there are tonnes of people with a shitload of experience here, but 9 times out of ten, things that I've posted have been viewed and not even responded to, hence my view. the beauty of views though is they change dependant on where you're standing |
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Well, this is typical. I dont throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are some good covers bands out there. Is what I said above, but a couple of you freaks see fit to ignore that. And the fact still stands that I work in music with young people, and this is how they feel. But hey, choose to ignore that as well why dont ya? Clique.
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| MasterODiscount IP address: Logged Posts: 1416
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i believe i offered to help you record some of your music?!?! |
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| MasterODiscount IP address: Logged Posts: 1416
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And the fact still stands that I work in music with young people, and this is how they feel
no, maybe you should read back and see that i explained that they shouldn't feel hard done by for not getting gigs if they want to be picky! (the impression i've been given)
If the kids want a 'scene' they have to start it really, of course they might need some help, but there's plenty of people to help them if they ask!
If they get bums on seats it sorts itself out. |
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| Tobyjames7 IP address: Logged Posts: 632
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and I'm really grateful, but you are the first person to offer in literally over a year, thats hardly community spirit now is it? and I'm not saying everyone should bend over backwards for me, sod it, not many of you know me, what i am saying is it would have been nice, to have just been pointed in the right direction, or even responded to, but thats seems mostly to be a stretch too far |
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| MasterODiscount IP address: Logged Posts: 1416
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maybe it's because no one really knows you in person?
it's a lot easier to help a face than it is a computer screen, Edited: MasterODiscount - Sun 8 Jun 2008 (2:00PM) |
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| Tobyjames7 IP address: Logged Posts: 632
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aye, and i can agree to that, but to completley ignore someone thats trying to start out is completly different to helping out dependant on having met or not.... I'm talking completley ignored here, post viewed many times, responses, zero, it says a lot to me |
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Mate you are really confusing me. When did I say that they are hard done by!? Why do people keep on presuming im saying stuff that i'm not. I'm saying: They dont WANT to gig pubs (as i said previously) because they see it as old fashioned and a bit dad rocky (as I said previously) and have no care for that type of scene (as i said previously). They ARE creating their own scene, and there are no seats to put bums on in most instances. As i said previously (which you'd have known if you had read my posts): Good on em.
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Just in case you missed it:
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| Dmanlamius IP address: Logged Posts: Too Many!!!
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Ok, lets take bets... |
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| Spike IP address: Logged Posts: 2787
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I don't understand this, Dman. What exactly is it that scares these kids you speak of? The thought that one day they too might be earning a living by playing this so called 'Dad Music'? Why? What's so wrong with a bunch of guys getting decent money by doing what they enjoy doing?
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| ReallyBrown IP address: Logged Posts: 985
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Hole in one, hey! Toby - Dudley Ross was the guitarist in EK1 before our current man, Dan. James Dean was the guitarist before Dudley Ross and James went on to play in The Fat River Band and other projects. Both James and Dudley teach on the Popular Music degree course (I think it's called that - Am I right, Max?) at Broadstairs Campus, as does Lawrie Bolton, the last permanent keyboard player before me in EK1. There's most definitely an EK1 'family', or 'community', that stretches out and back... as I believe there is on this site. I stopped gigging after Birts Boogie Band stopped in 1994. I was ready to start again in about 1997, and the only response I got to any enquiries was by an advert posted on the Socodi Music board in Canterbury. It was there or newspaper ads. Fortunately I fell in with some good players, and was happy. In about 2005, I was told about this site when playing in a band called Skoobie. I found it immediately addictive, I don't think I see a clique here. I think - now it's thankfully far less catty - that it's a positive forum. Some of the things that have come from these pages:
I could go on but it's already loony as it stands up there. We've all got our own networks off mr gig, but there's undeniably considerable talent on it.
About being ignored: I've dived in now and then when people have been looking for bands and advice and got no reply because I would be brassed off in their place. I think it's frustrating for people who are on the originals' road because there are few openings, but I don't know what to say. All I know is that if I were younger, I'd probably give up because the scene is slanted to established bands in pubs. But that's no different to twenty-five years ago in my experience. And I've got friends with label deals who pushed their own stuff, who were good, but who were pipped at the post by contemporaries who found they had one extra thing on their side. GOOD LUCK.
I guess a (gulp) Dad Rocker like me either carries on or throws in the towel. If you're driven, and if you can cope with the crap bits, and you have a special gift to share, possum, you keep on keeping on. And if you've been on here a while, you won't take me too seriously. PS I don't think it is a clique on here. Edited: ReallyBrown - Sun 8 Jun 2008 (4:17PM) |
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| ReallyBrown IP address: Logged Posts: 985
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Hole in one = me munching Kris's hook. Doesn't refer to Spike's comments. |
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