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Dmanlamius
DMANLAMIUS - 6 years, 2 months
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Does this one come across ok?   I feel that I may have skitted around what I meant to say, and didnt quite hit the nail on the head.

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Ihf7mXGoE


Spike
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I think the essence of what you're saying is correct and I agree with you. You talk about the bass player and his/her role within a band environment, but of course this is applicable to the other musicians, too.

Too many times I've watched a band play and heard the lead guitarist go off in his own little world and pull out some Malmsteen type solo or whatever, but I've been left thinking: 'Well, he's technically a good guitarist, but the solo doesn't work'. And the reason it doesn't work is that he's playing a solo that will impress any musos in the crowd - regardless of whether or not it fits with the song. So in my eyes he's not really a band member, he's just a guy who's playing the guitar.

There is a lot more to being a gigging musician than just getting up on stage and doing your thing. You can sit in the confines of your bedroom and practise until you've got blisters on your fingers, but if you can't work with other musos then you're musical career is going to be almost non-existent.
Personally, I know of three guitarists who can shred even the best of 'em into oblivion, but they're not out there gigging because quite simply they just can't cut it with a band.

Sad, but true. 

A  band and their sound should be like a gigantic jigsaw puzzle - each composite part should fit exactly into place to make the whole thing work. If one piece -for whatever reason- doesn't fit, the puzzle is incomplete.


Keri2323
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I will watch this later mate, just nipping out, but I did wanna say that I religiously do your exercises for the hands every day when I wake up now. A small snippet of information but they really help, cheers :-)
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I could not watch it. All those swaying fields done my eyes in after a while. Makes it very hard to focus on what you are saying. Shame as I often find your stuff quite interesting. (I am not a bass player but I found things like the hand excerises one very useful) Perhaps addressing the camera might have been better?
Dmanlamius
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Ah, cheers spike!  Yea, that is pretty much what i was trying to say.

Keri, stick with those excercises mate, they REALLY do work!

Jamie, I only get good ideas when i'm excercising.  Keri will tell ya about this....endorphins and all that.  So I go on bike rides, and when I get ideas, i'm recording them with my mobile phone.  Its not really about whats on the camera, just the words really.

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ReallyBrown
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I like the countryside shots.  They divorce you from what's being said (I like that).  They're like News24 when you've got the sound down.  Wink  They also show jolly old England to the web.

Good points - The centrality of listening to each other, and the way one shouldn't throw in all one's tricks in a new context, or with people one doesn't know.  Both of these, for me, are why I don't like massive volume when I'm playing or listening to people.  I'm not a fan of show-offs, either, unless they are tongue-in-cheek.  I prefer music not to be chicken-strangled. 

But what do I know?  I'm a shy and soft boy.

I know there are a million different approaches to my preferences and that some material maybe sometimes needs the sonic boom.  I wouldn't like the Deftones if they were on harps.

It's about our moods, innit. 

But I reckon the listening and adapting to contexts that you've mentioned, Kris, are crucial. 

Interesting! 


Shaman
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“A band and their sound should be like a gigantic jigsaw puzzle - each composite part should fit exactly into place to make the whole thing work. If one piece -for whatever reason- doesn't fit, the puzzle is incomplete”.

For me, this is a good analogy. Often hidden tensions and frustrations can be spotted within a musical performance.

And again a solo virtuoso artist may well have mastered there instrument, but lack the ability to play as part of a team can ensure they remain a solo artist.

In all, any band is only the sum total of it’s conjoined parts.


Keri2323
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Good Point
Dmanlamius
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Very good points and posts...

Well, nearly...

Anyhow, it's good to see you got what i was saying.

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